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White also used big Ford gas V-8s in the 70s.

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In 1968 my father Marshall Garland owner of WH Garland Inc. in Carlisle, Pa. purchased a new White 9000 single axle tractor from the LB Smith truck dealership in Lemoyne Pa. It was powered by the Giesel engine with a RT 910 roadranger transmission. The tractor was fitted with a wet line and was used to pull a Fruehauf tandem dump trailer for hauling anthracite coal out of the central Pa. mines.

The tractor and engine proved to be very reliable and accumulated roughly 230 thousand miles when it was sold in the late 1970's. I do remember that fuel mileage was around 6 to 8 miles per gallon. The daily runs consisted of about 250 miles round trip. The only options it had was a AM radio and a Bostrom Viking T-Bar drivers seat. In hearing the many negative reports about this engine, I can honestly say that it performed very well with virtually on problems other than routine maintenance. I still have the complete maintenance manual for the truck and engine.

I do remember that it had a very distinctive (diesel) sound when reving up and going through the gears.




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Speaking of the Giesel engine I remember it.Alot of the citys that still had gas mechanics used them before small diesel engines were used.One thing I remember was on some trucks that used vaccum for brakes they used the cummins air compressor for a vaccum pump by connecting the tank supply to the intake of the compressor.I do remember them have intake manifold gasket problems.

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If you look on the left hand side of the engine, there will be a flat surface with engine model number and serial number. That flat may be hidden by your generator and there may be an oil filter on that flange above the flat.



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looking to find any information on the 100 series block #440350. super power on block, the truck is a 1950 wc22 road tractor, who cast the block, oil filter & air pump. I need a radiator fan & air compressor. compressor is water cooled ,& engine oiled. I believe I need a bendix tru-flo 400.
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I drove both the Toro-Flo and a Giesel back in the day, they didn't last. The big gas burners that we had from Ford and International would run rings around them as well as being more reliable, I can't imagine buying the gas for them now !!

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The White/Cummins was a 470G. It was pretty much a Cummins V470 with an adaptor where the injector would go for spark plugs, and a pair of hemi looking valve covers. Find an old Motors manual and look under White standard trucks.
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Bob - I post a bit on the 1960-1966 GMC V-6 truck site. Most activity is pickup related there, most of my experience was riding shotgun with Dad in GMC tilt-cabs, and one strange combination that was badged a Chevy C-70 short nose conventional that had a Toro-Flow diesel in it. I think it was the non-turbo 478 V-6 version, single axle tractor hauling livestock. Replaced a CO-190 with 450-6.

The White "Giesel" is a new one for me. I'm not familiar with the term at all. I thought I drove every lame attempt to reduce fuel use in trucks or tractors. I drove a about 1980 F-700 with a Detroit 8.2L Fuel Pincher, ran O-K for 3-4 weeks, then would drop a cylinder per week until it was running on 4, disappear for a week to the dealer then come back running O-K. Rinse and repeat. Bet I put 50,000 miles on that thing in substantially less than a year until it was replaced with a V-8 gas LoadStar binder that got about 3 mpg. That F-700 was just about like driving my F-150 except for the 2-speed axle and air brakes! Had about the same driving range, got 7 mpg loaded with 40 gallon tank. Fuel stop every 4 hours!

I googled White Geisel and didn't get much. Something on Jalopy Journal about it being a 500 cid V-8 Cummins converted to burn gasoline. Sounds like something International Harvester would do! I do watch Nat'l Tractor Pullers Assoc. pulls on RFDT-V, (aka Horse TV), and there's a couple tractors running convered Cummins 903, big Perkins V-8's, Cat 3208's burning alcohol that REALLY make some horsepower compared to in-line 6's of same displacement. I've read hours of info on the Ford GAA 1100 cid V-8 and it's parent 1650 cid V-12 predesessor.

Anyhow, if you know more about a White Giesel I'd appreciate anything you might care to share.
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I am pretty certain the Reo OHV engines were all made in Lansing. When White spun Diamond-Reo off, the Reo gas engines went with Diamond-Reo and were no longer offered in Whtes. For a short period ('73-'74), White used a few GMC V-6's when a customer wanted a gasoline engine, and then went on to develop the ill-fated 'Giesel'.
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My '56 WC22PLT has Super Power on the hood badges and Mustang cast in the block of its 250A. My '64 4200 has White Mustang hood badges and Mustang cast on the sides of the 470A engine block.

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